{"id":411,"date":"2014-04-23T19:39:34","date_gmt":"2014-04-23T19:39:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mayohomeopathy.ie\/?p=411"},"modified":"2020-07-06T17:35:33","modified_gmt":"2020-07-06T16:35:33","slug":"homeopaths-wrong-grimes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.mayohomeopathy.ie\/index.php\/homeopaths-wrong-grimes\/","title":{"rendered":"Are homeopaths wrong Mr Grimes?"},"content":{"rendered":"
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How programmed is scientists’ thinking?<\/p><\/div>\n

Grimes\u00a0and his\u00a0Logical Fallacies<\/span><\/strong><\/h5>\n

Resorting to libellous generalisations of an ad hominem<\/em> nature, with rhetorical ploys such as caricature, here’s two possible replies to David Robert Grimes’s\u00a0(a science policeman) diatribe\u00a0and The Irish Times <\/em>which hosted it. But perhaps it wasn’t Grimes himself who wrote it..?<\/span><\/p>\n

Sir, \u2013 in his Opinion<\/a><\/span> (16.4.2014) David Robert Grimes tells us vaccines are great and homeopaths are conspiracy theorists and peddlers! But I\u2019m left with a question: in March 2008 The Irish Times<\/span><\/a> reported\u00a0five deaths from influenza at St Ita\u2019s in Portrane; in April 2012 you again reported<\/a><\/span> seven deaths from \u2018flu at a nursing home in Buncranna, all of whom had been vaccinated against influenza.<\/span><\/p>\n

I know that the tens of thousands of homeopaths and doctors practising homeopathy worldwide are stupid quacks \u2013 I know, I\u2019ve been one for over thirty years \u2013 but either David Robert Grimes is wrong or The<\/em> Irish Times<\/em> is wrong but it doesn\u2019t follow homeopaths are.<\/span><\/p>\n

Yours, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n

Another possible reply<\/strong>
\nSir, \u2013 while David Robert Grimes alludes to clean water being as effective as vaccines, (Opinion, 16.4.14), I\u2019m reminded of George Bernard Shaw\u2019s family being interviewed on the Late Late Show in the eighties. They quoted Shaw as saying, \u201cVaccination is akin to murder.\u201d While it sounded extreme, it made sense when explained: he preferred hygiene to vaccination, against which he campaigned vigorously.<\/span><\/p>\n

Grimes mentions homeopathy which was also close to Bernard Shaw\u2019s heart: a homeopathic doctor in Harley Street (Raphael Roche)\u00a0cured his hydrocele \u201cwhich had blackened ominously\u201d (even today a hydrocele is considered a surgical problem and therefore not amenable to medicine). Shaw was scientific and put the homeopathic doctor to the test. \u201cMr Roche won the game… the gland became less threatening and the hydrocele suddenly discharged itself… and that was the end of it.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Shaw\u2019s biographer, Hesketh Pearson, wrote (regarding himself), \u201c… Mr Roche, to whom he sent me when I returned home from Mesopotamia in 1919, and who cured me of dysentery and malaria inside six months.\u201d (The experiences are documented in Bernard Shaw: His Life And Personality<\/a><\/span> by Hesketh Pearson, chapter XXIX)<\/span><\/p>\n

Perhaps Mr Grimes could take the rational and scientific approach of Shaw and put homeopathy to the test..?<\/span><\/p>\n

Yours, etc.,<\/span><\/p>\n

Contradictions<\/strong>
\nNote the caption with the emotive photo accompanying this article, \u2018California and New York are in the midst of their greatest measles outbreak in decades; 2011 saw 26,000 cases of measles in Europe, nine deaths and 7,288 hospitalisations.\u2019 Does he not realise American kids are the most vaccinated and medicated in the world and won’t get into school without all their shots? Last year an endemic of\u00a0measles went around a private Jewish school in New York. All the kids had been vaccinated. More than likely that is the case now referred to.<\/span><\/p>\n

And he doesn’t explain why, despite\u00a0“In north Cork, vaccination figures of a shockingly low 26.5 per cent have been reported,” west Cork had an endemic of measles but not north Cork!<\/span><\/p>\n

Was Grimes lying in this article: <\/span>\u201cMeasles on the rise as immunisation falls\u201d (The Irish Times<\/a><\/span>, April 16th)\u201d <\/span>because the same paper on April 22nd had this article: <\/span>Vaccination for MMR shows \u2018marked\u2019 improvement<\/a>?!!!<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

With conflicting accounts, we can’t rely on The<\/em> Irish Times<\/em> to be impartial.<\/span><\/p>\n

Whooping cough was at epidemic levels in the UK last year (2013) yet the government acknowledged “we are more than satisfied with vaccine uptake (97%).” – which satisfies the level for herd immunity.<\/span><\/p>\n

Usually it’s evident diseases were in decline before the vaccines were introduced – probably for the reasons advocated by G.B. Shaw: hygiene as shown by Prof Margaret Stacey, professor of sociology of health,<\/span>\u00a0in her book The Sociology of Health and Healing: A Textbook<\/a> <\/em><\/span>(p.136).\u00a0<\/em>Have a look at these disease charts also:<\/span><\/p>\n

\u2022<\/span> Child Health Safety website<\/a><\/span>
\n\u2022<\/span> Whale.to website<\/a>\u00a0shows the Australian experience<\/span><\/span>
\n\u2022<\/span> Vaclib.org<\/a> <\/span>– scarlet fever declined without a vaccine<\/span><\/p>\n

For more on Shaw and Irish writers and homeopathy see my post<\/span> Sligo, Dublin, Literature & Homeopathy<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

Update<\/strong> (June 2015)
\nHere’s a first. In a wonderful and embarrassing riposte to David Robert Grimes, RTE Radio 1 interviewer, Sean O’Rourke told Grimes to shut up.<\/span><\/p>\n

Obsessive critic of Homeopathy, David Robert Grimes being told to shut up by the radio host, Sean O\u2019Rourke, for his bad manners, on the national airways on Monday. He was discussing homeopathy with a GP\/herbalist. Enjoy, I did – click\u00a0here<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Afterword<\/span><\/strong>
\nWhen someone becomes infected with a disease for which there is a vaccine, the na\u00efve jump on the unthinking bandwagon and assume they had not been vaccinated. They never ask the rational question: were they vaccinated? <\/span><\/p>\n

Recently a lady in the US died from measles. Again the great and the good assumed she had not been vaccinated; she had. Read a critique of the measles vaccine and this particular case in the prestigious Foreign Policy journal: <\/span><\/p>\n

A Measles Death, Vaccines, and the Media\u2019s Failure to Inform: There is a discussion to be had about public vaccine policy. The media ought to start having it<\/em>, by Jeremy R. Hammond\u00a0(July 5, 2015)<\/span> Click here for link<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

On whooping cough consider <\/span>Whooping cough ‘is endemic in children’ <\/em><\/span>By Celia Hall, Medical Editor, Daily Telegraph<\/a><\/span>:<\/span><\/p>\n

Anthony Harnden, a GP and lecturer in primary health care at Oxford University, who led the study, said that 37.2 per cent of children who went to the doctor with a persistent cough were found to have evidence of recent whooping cough infection. More than 85 per cent of these children had been fully immunised.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And (link<\/a><\/span>),<\/span><\/p>\n

Vaccination rates for whooping cough have remained consistently high and the outbreak is not due to parents shunning the jab, experts have said.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And this week (July, 2015): “70 diagnosed with Whooping Cough in Reno County”, published in Eyewitness News<\/a><\/span>.\u00a0We are told, “The district tells us all of the people who’ve contracted it have been vaccinated.”<\/span><\/p>\n

I’m not convinced about a causal\u00a0link between vaccines and autism but “Dr. Theresa Deisher believes those made from fetal stem cell lines may pose a serious risk.” click here<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Update Dec 2015<\/span><\/strong>
\nIn Ireland, HIQA says stopping the BCG vaccination programme would avoid “unnecessary side effects.”<\/span> Link
\n<\/a><\/span>The BCG is ineffective anyway says expert<\/span> link<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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